8 Weeks before last spring frost.No more waiting on seeds that don't come. I've gone ahead and purchased some of the must start seeds locally. I'm definitely going to re-think the mail order thing next year and will probably only uses them for hard to find items. Everything else I can really get here, its just not as fun as sitting around with the seed magazine in the dead of winter and getting all of the orders in place. Still, it doesn't do much...